i'm really starting to think that hillary's campaign is being driven by (the lack of) money like geo said in another thread.
i think that hillary's response to obama's comments are actually what's out of touch, not the original comments.
here's an interesting article i read about obama's "elitist" comment about small town americans being "bitter": www.cbn.com/CBNnews/356191.aspx
i think some of you will find the writer's site association interesting.
the writer speaks of hillary probably using this and the "baby punishment" comment as a way of illustrating how "green" obama is politically and how he might say other things as president that will need retraction or apology/explanation. um, we got someone in the white house NOW who is a non-stop source of embarrassment for the country--obama at least did WELL in school...
i think that hillary's response to obama's comments are actually what's out of touch, not the original comments.
here's an interesting article i read about obama's "elitist" comment about small town americans being "bitter": www.cbn.com/CBNnews/356191.aspx
i think some of you will find the writer's site association interesting.
the writer speaks of hillary probably using this and the "baby punishment" comment as a way of illustrating how "green" obama is politically and how he might say other things as president that will need retraction or apology/explanation. um, we got someone in the white house NOW who is a non-stop source of embarrassment for the country--obama at least did WELL in school...
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Re: obama "the elitist"
Mon, April 14, 2008 - 12:25 AMObama comes under fire more easily it would seem...if Obama said the sky was blue some media outlet would accuse him of making anti-overcast statements.
Nothing rev. Wright said was wrong..but it's painful to hear and that irks people. Saying the working class are turing to religion and guns is factually accurate, but people don't want that. They want the politicians to adhere to the big lie instead. -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 10:27 PM.....substitute salmon fishing, clamming and crabbing for guns....liberation theology for lamestream commercial churches.....and I'm probably the pissed-off "working class voter" Obama won over.....so....yer foooooooked, Hillary!! -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 10:31 PMI didn't trust Hillary to begin with, but I didn't expect her sliminess to be so obvious.
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Wed, April 16, 2008 - 1:58 PMexcerpt from huffington post
"During the past week, Sen. Hillary Clinton has presented herself as a working class populist, the politician in touch with small town sentiments, compared to the elitism of her opponent, Sen. Barack Obama.
But a telling anecdote from her husband's administration shows Hillary Clinton's attitudes about the "lunch-bucket Democrats" are not exactly pristine.
In January 1995, as the Clintons were licking their wounds from the 1994 congressional elections, a debate emerged at a retreat at Camp David. Should the administration make overtures to working class white southerners who had all but forsaken the Democratic Party? The then-first lady took a less than inclusive approach.
"Screw 'em," she told her husband. "You don't owe them a thing, Bill. They're doing nothing for you; you don't have to do anything for them."
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Wed, April 16, 2008 - 3:14 PMisn't screwing them what got bill into trouble?
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Thu, April 17, 2008 - 9:47 AMIt's absurd, and speaks to the true stupidity of the working class peon, that Hillary Clinton could even be thought of as a populist. She is a long term member of the political ruling elite..she's even running on the aristocracy of the Clinton brand name.
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Re: obama "the elitist"
Thu, April 17, 2008 - 9:54 AMhere is a part of
I Was There: What Obama Really Said About Pennsylvania by David Coleman
"At the end of Obama's remarks standing between two rooms of guests -- the fourth appearance in California after traveling earlier in the day from Montana -- a questioner asked, "some of us are going to Pennsylvania to campaign for you. What should we be telling the voters we encounter?"
"Obama's response to the questioner was that there are many, many different sections in Pennsylvania comprised of a range of racial, geographic, class, and economic groupings from Appalachia to Philadelphia. So there was not one thing to say to such diverse constituencies in Pennsylvania. But having said that, Obama went on say that his campaign staff in Pennsylvania could provide the questioner (an imminent Pennsylvania volunteer) with all the talking points he needed. But Obama cautioned that such talking points were really not what should be stressed with Pennsylvania voters."
"Instead he urged the volunteer to tell Pennsylvania voters he encountered that Obama's campaign is about something more than programs and talking points. It was at this point that Obama began to talk about addressing the bitter feelings that many in some rural communities in Pennsylvania have about being brushed aside in the wake of the global economy. Senator Obama appeared to theorize, perhaps improvidently given the coverage this week, that some of the people in those communities take refuge in political concerns about guns, religion and immigration. But what has not so far been reported is that those statements preceded and were joined with additional observations that black youth in urban areas are told they are no longer "relevant" in the global economy and, feeling marginalized, they engage in destructive behavior. Unlike the week's commentators who have seized upon the remarks about "bitter feelings" in some depressed communities in Pennsylvania, I gleaned a different meaning from the entire answer."
www.huffingtonpost.com/david-...53.html
I am not sure if it's true or not. A lot of people have a tendency to judge things by fragments and not bothering to take a look at the whole thing.
Also there can be another side to a story.
Nico Pitney
The Huffington Post
Bill Clinton Flashback: "All These Economically Insecure White
People...Are Scared To Death"
As the rumination continues over Barack Obama's comments about
economically-depressed small town voters, statements made by Bill
Clinton on the same topic -- uttered while he was running for
president in 1991 -- have now surfaced.
"The reason (George H. W. Bush's tactic) works so well now is that you
have all these economically insecure white people who are scared to
death," Clinton was quoted saying by the Los Angeles Times in
September 1991.
A couple months later, Joe Klein, writing for the Sunday Times,
reported that Clinton made the following remarks:
"You know, he [Bush] wants to divide us over race. I'm from the
South. I understand this. This quota deal they're gonna pull in the
next election is the same old scam they've been pulling on us for
decade after decade after decade. When their economic policies fail,
when the country's coming apart rather than coming together, what do
they do? They find the most economically insecure white men and scare
the living daylights out of them. They know if they can keep us
looking at each other across a racial divide, if I can look at Bobby
Rush and think, Bobby wants my job, my promotion, then neither of us
can look at George Bush and say, 'What happened to everybody's job?
What happened to everybody's income? What ... have ... you ... done
... to ... our ... country?'"
For comparison's sake, here is Obama's statement, reported by Mayhill
Fowler for Huffington Post's OffTheBus:
Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial
states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so
long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a
pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a
part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's
true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack
Obama (laugher), then that adds another layer of skepticism
(laughter). [...]
But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people
persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that
in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in
Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs
have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they
fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration,
and each successive administration has said that somehow these
communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not
surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion
or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant
sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
What do you think -- are they similar?
www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...33.html
Hell yeah...they are similar!
If Barack Obama is an elitist,then so is Bill Clinton.
"If [Republicans] could cut funding for Medicare, Medicaid, education, and the environment, middle-class Americans would see fewer benefits from their tax dollars, feel more resentful paying taxes, and become even more receptive to their appeals for tax cuts and their strategy of waging campaigns on divisive social and cultural issues like abortion, gay rights, and guns."
-- Bill Clinton, in his 2004 memoirs, My Life, making the same argument as Sen. Barack Obama.
politicalwire.com/archives/...e_day.html
Why is it when Bill Clinton says that he's ok, but when Obama makes same argument, he gets demonized and accused of being arrogant and out of touch.....especially by Bill Clinton's own wife.